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learned today. >> some people were wondering if last night's oscar host james franco was blazed. i think this picture answers that question. it was taken immediately afterward. >> look at how scared oprah was. >> she was afraid of the cops busting through the door and they're all going to jail. >> the oscars were so boring that even my 17-year-old walked out in the middle. >> wow! >> learned that i'll initiate the geist for 2012 campaign. >> i love it. >> good luck. >> i'm glad i missed the oscars. i'll just go to the movies. >> it's way too early. >> it's "morning joe." stick around for "the daily rundown" with chuck and savannah. >> the white house steps up the pressure against gadhafi, what is the u.s. prepared to do to push the libyan leader from power? stepping back from the abyss. the feared government shutdown isn't coming this week, but is it coming? how long can democrats and republicans buy time here in and bernie madoff on tape. his jailhouse interview. the firsthand account of how he
started that ponzi scheme and how finally he confessed to his family it was all a lie. >> good morning, everyone. it's monday, february 28, 2011. i'm savannah guthrie. >> and i'm chuck todd and we also, of course, have wisconsin. those protesters have refused to leave the statehouse and then there's this story which we can't get enough of. charlie sheen opens up to our own jeff rothson. wait until you hear what he says. you cannot make it up. >> you cannot. >> let's start with libya. white house is -- the rebel forces. the city essentially locked down by pro-gadhafi forces. secretary of state hillary clinton is in geneva. she's offering limited sanctions with even tougher measures. jim aceda is in tripoli. what's the situation now in how
tense? all right. it looks like we have audio problems. upon this has not been easy broadcasting in and out of libya. i'm told that we can go to stephanie goss. >> he's in benghazi where rebels have controlled the city. stephanie, let's get to you first. i the question is whether or not the rebels can piece together some sort of government if gadhafi does go. >> reporter: they are trying to do that, savannah. there are two different governments trying to be formed in benghazi, you have the municipal government and the local government trying to open up banks here and get life back to some semblance of normalcy and then you have the former justice minister. he resigned, you'll remember, in protest over the violence. he is trying to put together a new government, a kind of interim government and opposition leaders here say that
that is the only legitimate government in this country until gadhafi steps down. there is another effort under way in benghazi worth mentioning as well. this is the effort to sign up, enlist, organize and arm a rebel force. we've seen some of the munitions that they have including anti-tank rounds and anti-aircraft rounds and rpgs. people here are bracing for another battle. savannah? >> stephanie goss for us in benghazi, libya, where rebels do seem to have control of that part of libya. president obama meets with ban ki-moon. everything that they say from here on out they want international cover particularly from the united nations. >> we'll keep an eye on it, if we can get the shot up from tripoli we'll get it to you for sure. back in washington, lawmakers are walking into a political cooker. both parties are weighing a republican plan to keep things up and running for a few more
weeks. kelly o don cell -- who blinked? harry reid or john baner? >> it's almost a combination of both because what boehner did is he emphasized some of the cuts the president has said he wanted to make, very tough for democrats to go against that. so many people are looking at this and saying that republicans kind of have the edge here on this because they're going to get what they wanted, cutting $4 billion for two weeks. that's a pro-rated amount of what they're looking for and it gives democrats a chance to say that republicans came to their side with some of the cuts. there are democrats who believe these cuts are too tough on more vulnerable americans and that's going to be a big part of the outline going forward, but john boehner who was speaking to an annual meeting here in washington of religious broadcasters put this whole debate in more moral terms, so he used some of the words and
imagery of that group to put this debt and the responsibility for it in that kind of context. here was john boehner last night. >> we have a moral responsibility to address the problems that we face and that means working together to cut spending and to rein in government, not sthutting it down. >> john boehner gave a subtle jab to the president when he said he believes the sputnik moment was the debt and he was using the same imagery that the president used in the state of the union. republicans are feeling pretty good right now. democrats have a chance to say that they don't want to see the government shut down either. both are trying to be very reasonable in this, so all of the bravado about will it be shut down seems to have calmed down a bit, but we still have several days to go, and as you mentioned, chuck, it's just a two-week deal that appears to be in the offing. there's another round, at least to be sure. it will be a crazy week here.
>> a little postponement, kelly. >> down the road, i was going to say first he points out that the two weeks that would expire right before the president is set to get off to south america. >> of course, we know something will come up to mess up the international trip. doesn't that always happen? >> kelly o. on capitol hill for us. let's move to wisconsin where dozens of protesters defied to leave the statehouse and vowing to fight the union bill for as long as it take, but governor scott walker said he will not back down. he was on nbc's "meet the press" yesterday. >> for year after year after year, not just the last governor, but governors before and legislatures before have kicked the can and taken one-time fixes to push the budget problems off into the future. we can't do that. >> okay. our mike taibbi is live in madison, wisconsin. mike, where are we on all of this? >> you know something, savannah? after that appearance on "meet the press" one democratic
senator called me in illinois where the 14 are hiding out, and he said the governor did a pretty good job in that interview and he didn't wobble at all, but a couple of others on the republican side were telling me not so fast. here's the scenario that was described to me. dale schultz described as a moderate, he has said, we've heard that he'll vote against the bill and that he spent the weekend talking to four other moderate republicans in the senate, at least two of which, according to our sources are wobbling a bit themselves, a 50/50 and better chance and that would give the democrats a 17 to 16 simple majority win and a defeat for the governor. that's just one scenario that hasn't happened yet. we confirmed that over the weekend. some republicans are upset what's been described to us as having been misled in some of the aspects of this bill with the civil service protections or nonprotections if they're rolled back completely. they mentioned the protesters
have defied the order to leave the statehouse yesterday. maybe 150 slept overnight and half of them have now left and we've been inside and said that 75, 80 are still there and twice as many and three times as many law enforcement have moved out by the time the governor speaks tomorrow afternoon, tuesday afternoon to deliver the budget message, but the whole deadline thing is changing with the possible scenario of a democratic win which we can get back to the state fund and vote in a hurry if that were the case. >> mike taibbi in madison, wisconsin, in what could be an interesting piece of news that there might be two other republicans besides dale schult who could join them. he could join them and could defeat that bill and they start over, of course, with the governors in town and one governor not here, savannah, is scott walker and pretty much all of the rest are here in washington. they meet with the president in about 30 minutes. mark murray, deputy political
director. here's a preview of what we're expecting to hear from governors and the number one complaint when it comes to budget shortfalls and it comes to the government is medicaid. chuck, you're exactly right. across the country, governors are facing a combined $175 billion shortfall according to the national governor's association and that would be one obvious topic of discussion when president obama and vice president biden meet with a bipartisan group of governors with the white house later this morning. last night president obama obama addressed these governors at a dinner party at the white house. president obama said despite their ideological differences as evidenced by the budget showdown in wisconsin. he believes that he can find common ground with both democrats and governors across the states. as you mentioned on the policy front one particular dispute has to do with medicaid and medicaid costs. medicaid is the government program that helps give health services and coverages to poor people and it's funded by both the federal government and by
the states and many states say that they need help with their medicaid numbers and republicans are wanting to turn medicaid into a block grant instead of just having the federal government earmark that money for medicaid. so that's one subject that they'll definitely discuss this morning. >> all right. mark murray in our newsroom. coming up, are these the final days of the four-decade gadhafi era as the opposition closes in on the libyan leader. we'll go live to the unofficial center of the revolution. >> plus bernie madoff in his own words. now we've got tapes of the convicted swindler defending himself in calling the government a ponzi scheme. between bernie madoff and charlie sheen today. unbelievable. we'll look ahead at the president's schedule and we previewed most of it for you. we're watching "the daily we're watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. at e-trade it's harnessing some of the most powerful
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a little developing news out of libya. we just learned that security forces are firing into the air in tripoli as about 400 protesters there are shouting anti-gadhafi slogans. we want to go live to jim aceda. he's in tripoli and we've had difficult satellite experiences there. jim, what's the latest? >> reporter: hi, chuck. we're not hearing any firing at all. we're keeping our ears and eyes peeled. we can tell you as we speak there is major fighting going on in a key strategic town about 130 miles east of us here in tripoli. we also have a report that rebel forces have shot down a libyan
military plane there in the course of that fighting and captured both pilots. if that turns out to be confirmed that is a huge blow, of course, for the gadhafi regime, but probably even more important are the images that are now being seen around the world of a big anti-gadhafi protest that took place in the town of zawia. that's the gateway to tripoli. less than 30 miles away to our west and you see pictures not only of these people in gadhafi's own backyard calling for his -- to be toppled, but also there are a series of pictures of the arsenal there protecting these individuals, be they tanks or anti-aircraft artillery. soldiers with a case. these are all soldiers that have bolted to the other side. ironically, this was supposed to be a public relations exercise, ringing the international press including nbc news to zawia to
show that the government is not afraid of this protest. it's seen it before. there are a number of flash points even here in the west and they wanted to prove that the reports of bombing and strengthening of libyan planes by people in zawiya and the strategy completely backfired and now these pictures are being shown around the world, making the opposition feel even stronger and gadhafi, no doubt, feeling even more cornered as he is here waiting things out in tripoli. back to you. >> jim maceda in tripoli. hill reclinton saying she's prepared to lead to make gadhafi quit. she is in geneva to discuss the mounting humanitarian crisis. ban ki-moon is scheduled to meet with president obama at the white house this afternoon. steve clemens is founder of the american strategy program at the new american foundation and he's
taking part in a meeting of foreign policy experts and with a national security staff at the white house last week seems to have his finger on the pulse of what's going on here and you're becoming a regular now on the show. i love it. so, steve, let's start with what's realistic and what the u.s. government can do. there's been some calls to recognize the opposition as some sort of formal government entity. how quickly can something like that happen? >> that was the one of the issues discussed in the meetings, but i think the white house is trying to -- and that's important because when you compare this to other times when you've had great humanitarian disasters with the beginning of what could have been a genocidal move by a to tal tearian regime, it took a long time to ratchet up pressure. he can't do that now when you've got the arab league and the african union and so many other nations and the united nations.
china is turning out to be a holdout in some of this in the u.n. and we're ratcheting up the diplomatic and international pressure and that's the way to go. we saw the u.n. security council over the resolution of freezing foreign assets and restricting travel and they can investigate war crimes and yet you saw two senators over the weekend calling for even further action. let's look at senator lieberman and senator mccain. >> i would provide them with arms. this takes me back to the '90s in the balkans when we intervened to stop genocide against bosnians and first thing we did was to provide them with the arms to defend themselves. >> we have to assist these countries and it is in our national interest to do so. >> so, those are strong calls for essentially military intervention. is that well advised here? >> i think that anything that we do to militarily intervene could definitely backfire in this situation. there's a whole legacy in this area of the world about colonial
intervention and about forces from the outside trying to come in and occupy and this could really go a negative direction, and i would be advising the white house to be very cautious about listening to john mccain and senator lieberman on this one. i think there are many other things that they should be doing. i would oppose this kind of intervention. >> and speaking of caution. >> i have to play for you a sound bite. this is secretary of defense robert gates at west point late last week about the future of potentially armed conflict by the u.s. government in foreign lands. take a listen. >> but in my opinion, any future's defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big american land army into asia or into the middle east or africa should have his head examined. >> okay. >> i guess that's one response to mccain and lieberman. >> that's one thing there, but let's talk about, we're in the middle of fighting a war.
him saying this isn't that basically making the case. get out? >> absolutely. i don't know how you continue to keep a straight face looking at what we're doing today in afghanistan when you've had just one of the biggest indictments of that policy and that style of warfare by your secretary of defense. so i think bob gates is saying that, it's what many of us have been saying for some time is that afghanistan is not a way in which american power is leveraged and it's become a trap upon on military power and you can feel the stress and strain in the military budgets and all of the things that bob gates has been talking about. >> and we're in this libya situation. and you feel the strain where you've heard one of the reasons the pentagon has been so cautious. >> you can't move capacity that quickly. you aren't able to do anything, and we are so tied down with the moby dick to the white house's captain ahab, if you will, and it's an important statement that
they made. >> the central point of this is al qaeda and our efforts to interject al qaeda and obviously that's how we got into afghanistan, for example. there are varying opinions in the wake of the middle east unrest. al qaeda has dealt a severe propaganda blow because, look in the end the middle eastern governments it loathes for so long toppled not by armed conflict, but peaceful demonstrators. >> this was a quote from "the new york times" by former analyst paul pillar al qaeda and the terrorist movements when they see takeovers of governments and if you're able to generate that, you robbed from the terrorists what they thought would be the only way to look legitimate in the eyes of very angry people, and i think that's been an extremely important move. >> before i let you go. a lot was made last week and there was a rolling stone piece about some sort of psy-ops of
visiting u.s. senators to afghanistan by a they-star general, general caldwell in afghanistan. well, one of the basis that michael hastings, to prove the point was a report you had a year ago in january on carl levine, senate arms services chairman where you were stunned by his reversal at the time on afghanistan policy. he was more optimistic than he'd ever been and this was the trip, apparently that hastings' reports where psy-ops takes place? >> it was pretty amazing. because i had been in a meeting where senator levin had expressed so many reservations about what we were planning to do in afghanistan. he was not a big supporter of the surge of forces. he and al franken went over and he did a very good conference call from dubai on his way back and his mood had completely changed. he talked about how much progress he'd seen, and anyone watching the detail of this and had read the leaked stanley
mcchrystal memo on how bleak everything was. i asked him on the mood, how did your mood and impregz change when the only real difference between the bleak report mcchrystal did and the very rosy picture that you just gave was a de34r0iment of a very small number of forces. if we've achieved so much success with so little deployment why do we need the surge? it was just a very odd exchange. >> maybe it was psy-ops. >> who knew? steve clemens, good to have you as always, thank you. >> up next, the chaos in the middle east is affecting the price at the pump. we knew that was coming. how long can the u.s. weather that storm? plus, president obama's two front political fight. first congress, now the governors. oh e but first -- >> right now we want a down payment. >> what we've done here is make a down payment. >> it's a meaningful down payment. &. >> down payment. in washington when they say that it's short -- when lawmakers
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it has been all about oil prices over the last week. if you watched oil prices last week they were up by $8 a barrel. at the same time the dow was up by 2%. it's been a direct inverse relationship. every time oil prices go up, the dow goes down. oil prices are stabilizing and even dropping. last check oil prices were down to $97 and 32 cents a barrel. it looks like the dow will open up by about 40 points. there are a lot of concerns about what this means at the pump. we know gasoline prices at the pump were up 4% last week. the national average was $3.37. last week it was $3.17. a year ago it was $2.70. this was a huge, huge issue and the question is how much of an effect that will have on consumers. we did talk to one massive portfolio manager today. black dahl who runs the
portfolio, the market is starting to realize that today that's why he's been lightening up on the oil stocks and consumers at the pump are hoping for that as well. >> yeah. usually things go up and they don't seem to go down as quickly. let's hope they do. becky, thank you. >> i can't wait for one of the crises where the price of oil goes down. >> unless it's deflation. >> up next, the oscars should have gotten charlie sheen to host the show because he sat down for his first televised interview since his radio rant, and he says the problem is us, not him. i'm not angry. i'm passionate and everybody thinks, i should be, begging for my job back and i'm just going to forewarn them that everybody is going to be begging me for their job back. >> and we picked the perfect sound check for that interview. we'll show you the staggering details and first let's go to the trivia question. it's kind of a film-related one. which senator wrote the story for the 2000 movie "rules of
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bottom of the hour. a quick look at what's driving a very busy monday. we have live pictures of secretary of state hillary clinton as she speaks to the human rights council in geneva today. she says it's time for gadhafi to go and the libyan leader is using quote, mercenaries and thugs against civilians. libya will also be on the agenda when the president meets with u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon in the oval office today. the president is also set to meet with bipartisan group of governors at the white house and the opening bell rang on wall street. and it could cause stocks to slip and investors could be watching a report on pending home sales which will be out a half hour from now.
other storing making headlines and actor charlie sheen speaking out for the first time since cbs shut down his hit comedy. in an interview with nbc's "today show" sheen says he is clean any sober and he cured himself from his addiction with the power of his find. >> a lot of your friends are worried about you. >> no, that's for amateurs. i'm fine. i've always had a plan and i've always executed it perfectly and sometimes i don't hit the mark. >> i will not believe that if i do something and i have to follow a certain path because it was written -- and it was written for normal people. people that aren't special. people that don't have tiger blood and honest dna. >> sheen also told nbc that he's tired of pretending like he's not special and that you can't process him with a normal brain. so, chuck, don't even try it it. >> no, you can't. >> you with the normal brain. >> he's admitting he does not have a normal brain, so that is
step one of the recovery process. >> well, for the first time since his arrest in 2008 we are now hearing directly from convicted wall street swindler bernie madoff about his ponzi scheme. >> madoff spoke to "new york" magazine in a series of taped conversations from his jail cell. he says he is not a horrible person and explains why he is a victim here. good morning. >> do not bring your a donis dna here. what's important about this interview is it's the first time that we're hearing bernie madoff in his own voice about the epic cannedal. he doesn't just say that he's a horrible person -- or not a horrible person. he says he is a good person in these tapes and he also details the nightmare that was his double life. this is a revealing look at madoff on madoff through more than four hours of interviews. >> you know, i'm not a horrible person. he's been described as the epitome of evil.
bernie madoff, the wall street insider convicted of swindling $65 billion from investors. for the first time since his scam imploded, madoff has been speaking to the media, defending himself in a series of interviews. in a taped conversation with "new york" magazine madoff said he was a victim, too, burdened by the lie he created and claimed he kept secret from his beloved wife of 51 years. >> it was a nightmare for me, yes, of course, only for me. i was able to explain it to ruth. she's still unhappy about it it. she's still embarrassed and there's nothing that's going to change that. but she feels sorry for me to a certain extent. >> banks and hedge funds were com blissity and guilty of what he calls willful blindness as they continue to work with him without asking questions. >> while many invests on were robbed of their life savings, madoff says some of them had to know his business was a fraud and that they shouldn't be complaining now. >> all of my friends, all of
my -- most of my clients, the individual clients all are not net losers. it was the people that came in very late in the game that -- that got hurt. so did i make a lot of money for people? yeah. i made a lot of money for people. you know, did people lose profits that they thought they made? yes. you know, but did they lose capital? i'm sure, i'm confident that when this thing is all finished very few people, if any, will lose their principal. >> how did madoff's ponzi scheme begin? he says it was almost by accident in 1992 after several years of legitimate success, and up until the last minute madoff always hoped he could escape his financial mess. >> i kept on, you know, sort of telling myself, you know, that some, you know, some miracle was going to happen or that i was going to work my way out of it,
okay. i just didn't an on i just didn't know what that -- what that was. >> "new york" magazine describes a family now shattered. son mark dead by suicide. son andrew and wife ruth no longer speaking to madoff or to one another, and ruth, forbidden from seeing her own brand children and turned away at mark's funeral. madoff says he will never forget the day he finally confessed to andrew and mark. >> everybody was stunned. you know, i was crying, and andy i remember took me in his arms. he felt sorry for me at that stage, and i don't think that it had totally sunk into everybody. mark was standing there in shock, and, you know, i just -- you know, i don't know what else to tell you. >> small excerpts from interviews that took more than four hours to complete.
madoff said the federal correctional institute, that's where he's staying, is as good a place as he could possibly be. behind bars the other inmates actually respect him. his quote was, my notoriety impresses. >> okay. well, there's that. peter alexander with the tapes from bernie madoff. >> i think he's making the case that the guards need to step it up and make his life more miserable? >> i don't know. we'll move into politics. president obama meeting with the nation's governors today after telling them they have a friend in the white house. >> the president's agenda is colliding head-on with governors from healthcare to labor rights and stimulus projects. president obama is arguably facing the most resistance the white house ever has from the opposite party. ron brown is from "the national journal" group. that's always been a crutch for presidents. they can always pretend to find bipartisan support. >> that is -- this is a whole
new ball game. >> there are no more switzerlands in american politics. >> each side, every asset is being politicized. if you look across the board with the white house and these state highways, there is more conflict than even bill clinton faced with the governors. what i want to know is whether someone will try to slap a subpoena on the president. you have 27 states and all, but two of them are republican governors suing over health care. suing over -- >> rick scott who was the thorn in the side of the president on the public option who probably never thought, they regularly railed against this guy from the podium, medicare fraud, medicare fraud. he's at the white house today. . we have health care where they're fighting them over the legality. they want to get out of the maintenance effort and required to keep them on the roles of health care reform. they're resisting establishing exchanges and fighting over
carbon regulation and fighting over public lands and with scott walker and money over high-speed rail and you're talking about a sustained series of conflicts and even after they win fights in congress and from the national journal, you characterize this and it's fair to say that health care reform is facing more extensive resistance from conservative states than any -- >> look at the totality of it. >> and not only are they suing to overturn the law and not only are they petitioning to change -- fundamentally change the law. >> some are saying tim pawlenty before and the governor of alaska saying they're not going to implement this. the likelihood is as if the bill does survive its legal challenges and go forward. they will slow walk on implementation. they have a serious ongoing problem. in many cases they have
workarounds in the law, but it is still a sub-optimal legislation if you're trying to do it around the governor. is there a single republican governor that they'll comfortably work with? >> schwarzenegger and crist. i don't think there's anybody quite in that mode. you are seeing much more -- even clinton was able to join with john engler and tommy thompson and at times they aligned with him against newt gingrich and house republicans. there was nothing quite like that anymore. >> ron brownstein and the national journal. it's an interesting read, thank you. >> let's do the trivia and an oscar edition today. we asked you which senator wrote the story for the 2000 movie "rules of engagement." i'll bet ron knows the answer to this. the senator that's retiring, he's from virginia. >> he's also the author of six other historical fiction novels, but that one was easily his biggest. >> he'll return to hollywood now that he's leaving the u.s. senate. coming up next, let's make a
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next deal may not come as easily. john boehner promised more cuts. >> the american people want government to stay open but they want us to spend less money. we don't need to shut down the government to accomplish that. they won't eat the whole loaf at one time, we'll make them eat it one slice at a time. >> martin frost was chair of the democratic caucus as well as the campaign committee and former virginia chairman tom davis with the national republican congressional committee both witnessed the 1995 shutdown first -- >> and lived to tell. >> and they're both still here. martin frost, it seems as if in this round harry reid and chuck schumer had to blink and not john boehner. they put out a plan that said let's do two weeks temporary and no cuts to have more time and that cut no more, and he had to take what boehner delivered. >> that's right, boehner made
him an easy offer by doing earmarks and we'll take some of obama's cuts. this was an easy offer. it gets harder from here, but i think this thing doesn't really happen until the debt ceiling in may. i think there will be a couple of more temporary extensions and they'll find ways to do it it, but the rubber meets the road when the debt ceiling comes up. >> tom, who do you think has the bigger challenge right now? is it senator reid holding moderate democrats or is it speaker boehner keeping the freshman republican wanting to keep them in line with what he wants to do? >> i think the speaker's in the seat right now. he allowed everybody to have their three days on the floor with their amendments and getting 60 votes in the senate is a tough job. remember the president is insulated from this. this is a house senate fight at this point. i think he will sign anything they put together, and i agree with martin, may is going to be the big time where the hammer
comes down. >> tom, i want to ask you, how much is the wisconsin showdown which is a very polarized shutdown. what kind of impact is it having on these rank and file members in congress watching this play out. >> i think as the members went home for this week you didn't see the tea party on the other side start up. democrats went home and all of a sudden there was an uprising of people who were nervous about the spending. they didn't see that when they went home. they see people with the wheelchairs and oxygen tanks up there going after him. that didn't happen. so i think in the house right now it holds together and in may when they have to do the debt ceiling, i think they have an advantage at that point. >> what's going on in wisconsin does have an effect on democrats because labor has been motivated and labor was on the sidelines in the past year for the democratic party. >> well, i believe labor made the difference in those midwestern states in 2008 that
obama carried, the industrial midwestern states, but now they're motivated and rank and file democrats go back and say we better stand tall. labor is finally out, they're working and i don't think the rank and file democrats in the senate up for re-election will cross labor at this point. it makes it very, very interesting. >> the last few weeks it it certainly seemed like democrats were anxious to talk about, almost relishing the idea, that republicans would overreach and from 1995. here is one person who thinks things weren't so bad for republicans. here is gingrich on the 1995 shutdown on friday and here is what he had to say. >> i've never understood the news media's passion for saying we bore the brunt of it. we kept our word to the american people. we ultimately led to a balanced budget, not only do we win in policy, but we became the first reelected republican majority since 1928. and i've always wondered, what
was the downside of all this? >> i think clinton's re-election is what we are most referring to. >> the house republicans weren't running against clinton. >> i guess i could let you guys battle it over again who really lost after the '95 government shutdown. >> i think newt is trying to re-write history. the republicans were on the ropes after what they went through with him in '95. i was chair of the dccc. even newt was worried they would lose the house. i think they held the house, one, a chinese money scandal near the end. two, they compromised on welfare reform and minimum wage. had they not done that they might have lost the house because of what happened with the government shutdown. >> what are the odds that newt gingrich could be the republican nominee for president in 2012? i know he can be a credible candidate. can he be the nominee? >> he could be the nominee. look. he is a leader. he is intelligent. he is very bright. we will have to see. he has to mix it up in iowa a little bit. i put him in the top three or four contenders. >> do you think he is okay
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